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lbart · Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 87

The race win for Farquhar in the Senior classic left a bad taste in many peoples mouths as it seemed everyone was aware that the race had been run with a bike using a tyre over the max rear tyre width except the officials.

MGP tyre rules state that the maximum rear tyre width in the classic senior class is 4.5 inches.

How come the Patton raced, finished and won using a Dunlop 375/5 rear tyre this to my knowledge is not a dual rated tyre but a full 5 inch tyre stated by the /5. Can anyone comment on why the officials over looked this and also why did none of the other competitors Palmer or Linsdell complain about this ?

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an old man returns · Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 8

Also in the recent Classic Racer magazine the patton also used a 4 valve head but some doubt exists that history doesnt support its use in earlier races
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BAT · Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 3

"Old man returns", what is your problem- it really does seem you have some vendetta against Paton that quite frankly is getting tedious now. The tyre argument seems to go on and on!
The time for your protest, if justified, was at the Manx, and has passed. I am sure that if the Manx officials had a problem with the tyre size, or there was any question of it not complying with their set rules it WOULD have been raised during practice, and that Ryan and Steve would have been happy to change the tyre, - but this did not happen so give it a rest!

Regarding your latest "rumour" Please do not confuse the cut off dates applicable for the UK and IHRO with the American racing scene- these are not one and the same. There is ABSOLUTELY no doubt that the 4 valves per cylinder heads were used by Paton prior to the dates set for these series, and it is these rules that apply here.
Lets hope that the MV doesn't make an appearance some time soon, or we will ALL be in trouble (or is that another rumour??) !

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lbart · Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 87

I started this thread sorry about that. I mean they are only rules and if they are so obviously broken then we should just keep quiet about it. I've been told now, so maybe next year someone can enter a Blade or a R1 and we will just brush it under the carpet and say oh well, it doesn't matter cause the bike was black after all, it looked like a classic to me. Of course I do feel a bit sorry for the people who stick to the rules and finish like 2nd or 4th but at least they can go home put there feet up and feel all warm inside knowing that they may have have won a Classic Manx GP if the others stuck to the rules, but as you have said thats just silly and we should not discuss it.
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500dommi · Joined: 03 Nov 2007 Posts: 2

OK so its an old topic but with the origional Manx Forum shut down at the time this topic nowhere near met its peak . A lot of people are still smarting, but who,s going to listen . If McLaren came second the fuel temperature would have been checked let alone the BIG TYRES.

lbart · Joined: 09 Aug 2007 Posts: 87

Trust me this Forum will not be policed and will certainly not be shutdown !!
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BAT · Joined: 01 Nov 2007 Posts: 3

The point here is that there has been no indication from officials that the tyre used was not complying with the rules, only hearsay.
The rules state dual marked tyres are taken as a mean of the two sizes shown, the tyre showed 3.75/5.00 and it was therefore taken that the size was below the 4.5 allowed. If the tyre is not rated as a dual sized tyre (and both riders believe it is a dual sized tyre) then I agree this should have been picked up during scruitineering, and the tyre changed- all of this unpleasantness would have then been avoided.
I am sure both the Paton riders are as fed up about this as you- the same as any other rider, all they want is to ride to the best of their ability, and no-one likes results clouded by controversy .
I truly believe that there was nothing deliberately done here to break any rules, and there has been nothing official to say that this is the case.
It is very regrettable that a number of riders feel their results could have been better as a result, but this is not necessarily the case, although it is understandable that they might feel that way.
No doubt if the Patons' are back next year a very fine tooth comb will be used to ensure they are compliant, along with the rest of the field.

an old man returns · Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 8